NOTE: As of July 2025, this list is mostly depreciated. With there being a new Revised Fitness Wishlist. The exception is the money section below, and the car section near the bottom. Car is technically number one need at the moment though…
Before buying things here myself, money would be used to be ready for any potential financial emergencies, such as much needed replacement ca, home repairs, and especially for paying things off, etc., then the items below. But if one wants, money can be given via PayPal and credit card donations can be made here, though there is a fee (not sure the percentage), also generally 10% of all donations I get there I give to The Trevor Project (suicide prevention and crisis intervention for LGBTQIA+ youth) since that is part of my commitment for donations to my Twitch streams, if it is noted that this is for wish list / bills, I might skip the donation if you want. Or there is my Venmo, I’m not sure how much they take in fees. The main use of money right now would be to pay things down, and towards a much needed new to me car.
As most of this is for my fitness wishes, so here’s my Strava profile, so when, if, I get this stuff, one can see how I do. I also believe this is my Zwift profile. My Twitch and YouTube where I will upload rides from Zwift and the like should be in the bar to the left. I’ll also likely blog about my progress here.
NOTE, as of April 2025: The prices below are almost all before any of Trump’s Tariffs go into effect, and were accurate when they were originally written, between March of 2023 and some additions in 2025. Obviously Trump’s tariffs will make things far more expensive. Also, while a new car is posted much further down the list, that likely has to be number one, as my current car has over 200k miles on it, and it’s a Ford, not some super reliable Honda, Toyota or something like that, so back to the cash above, or the list further down (or search for like Crosstrek on the page, it should take you to that part of the list).
Primary Wants
The long and short of it is that the item wish list order is (with all these, see their related sections below): [Car, things paid down], New Watch, Power Meter Pedals and cycling shoes to use said pedals, bike computer. Note the trainer is both the number 1, number 3, and end points on that, just depends on when/where, etc.
Some of the below are on this Amazon wish list, though many of the cheaper more preferred choices, such as the cheaper bike trainer (even the Wahoo trainer on there are not as cheap as they are direct from Wahoo or Zwift), aren’t available from Amazon. However, to make it easier on some people, I put on the Amazon list what I could.
Oh, and a car. Really, car, then computer, watch, power meters and shoes.
A New Smart Watch
See new Revised Fitness Wishlist for the updated version of this part.
Power Meter Pedals and Proper Bike Shoes for the Bike
See new Revised Fitness Wishlist for the updated version of this part.
Bike Computer for Bike
See new Revised Fitness Wishlist for the updated version of this part.
Bike Radar and Light
See new Revised Fitness Wishlist for the updated version of this part.
Cleaning Supplies and Chain Wax
See new Revised Fitness Wishlist for the updated version of this part.
Secondary Wishes
We now get into more specialized items. Here we go with a multi tool for bike maintenance (I’ll probably get on my own anyhow), proper bike shoes/peddles, a bike radar (for greatly enhanced safety on the road), a battery operated portable power washer, and new headphones.
Multi Tool for Bike Maintenance
See new Revised Fitness Wishlist for the updated version of this part.
A New iPad
My current tablet (A Fire HD 10) isn’t powerful enough to run Zwift or any of the other programs. It’s used only for watching YouTube, Netflix, Max, Disney Plus, and the like.
Apple has just just updated the iPad models in May 2024. The iPad Air is basically the power of the older iPad Pro, while the Pro keeps going up in power, and is the better long term option. For both versions, the 11″ would be fine. With the Air, storage would need to realistically start at 256 GB ($699), but the 512 GB ($899) is probably the sweet spot in the Air lineup, as the 1 TB ($1099), starts moving into more expensive space, and may as well get the Pro. The Pro side of things, is where it gets really impressive, and the chip inside it is amazing… With the Pro, starting less than the 512 GB ($1199) doesn’t make sense, so that’s the basic starting point, with the 1 TB ($1599) being the sweet spot there, as the 2 TB ($1999) starts getting into wait for the M4 versions of the various Apple laptops.
And as noted in the bike trainer section above, a gaming laptop would probably be better, though much more expensive option. A few key goals is a 4060 or better GPU, 16 GB, preferably 32 GB of RAM, and at least 1 TB of storage on an SSD or M2 drive. Probably a 15″ or larger screen, no less than a 13″. The CPU on any laptop having those other specs would be good enough. It is perhaps overkill for Zwift and the like, but there’s more to it than just Zwift in this case. Here is a Best Buy filtered list of laptops ($1250-3899) that would work. An M3 MacBook Air 15″with at least 512GB SSD ($1499-1699) would be a bit less ideal, as it wouldn’t be too useful for gaming, but it perfectly usable for other stuff. Although as of May 2024, with the new iPad Pro’s getting the new G4, the MacBook lineup should be getting the much more powerful M4 chips soon too. Probably announced in June 2024. EDIT: As of June 2024, it doesn’t look like the announcement for the new M4 version of the Apple laptops is expected in June after all, but the MacBook Pro should still be updated by the end of the year.
Warmer gear
I need warmer base layers for going out in the cold. I don’t have what size I am in these yet. The idea is to have some of the ECWCS Gen III layers. These are mostly for outdoors in the winter, or cold spring/fall days, and some could be called for work and the like. But these are last on the “primary wants” list for a reason.
The one that seems most recommended is Brynje Wool Thermo Mesh, at least for just going outside period, not necessarily cycling. Then one wears a regular Merino Wool Base Layer with a zipper part way down, then one can do other layers over that. The Brynje can also be wore by itself in summer to keep cool. Again, that might not be best for cycling, not sure. This would be more for work, walking, range days, hiking, anything that isn’t super aerobic I guess.
The best cycling specific base layer seems to be Spatwear Basez 2 ($89.99) which would be a bit better if it had a zipper to the sternum or so.
Those two items, or the regular Merino Wool Base Layer would be the Level 1 on the ECWCS list. Level 2 would be used mostly for at home, or standing type situations.
Winter level bibs might be a bit of a more tricky find. Assos Mille GT Winter Bibs ($175), Gorewear Distance Winter Bib Tights ($200), or local Aero Tech has some Fleece tights ($199), not sure of sizes on those.
Cycling jacket would be the Castelli Men’s Alpha RoS 2 ($299.99), which has layers built in, so you can open each layer itself. This is basically a Level 3.
For regular days, not exercise the Level 3 would be done with either a warm fleece or sherpa. Though sherpa is more used as a lining and is harder to keep clean, which is probably why ECWCS specifies fleece.
I’m less sure about the soft shell jacket, more a wind breaker, water coat thing, Level 4 on the ECWCS scale. Near the end I do talk about one waterproof option.
For socks, there are these Keecow Merino Wool Ski Socks ($15.99). Other Merino Wool would likely be fine too, such as the lightweight and heavyweight ones from Aero Tech Designs (more on them later).
Overshoes, which would go over the bike shoes noted below… Spatz ‘Roadman 3’ Super-Thermo Hi-Viz Reflective Overshoes with Kevlar ($76.99).
In the unlikely event I wanted to go out in the rain and cold… then there are waterproof wind breakers to consider. At the high end there’s a C5 Gore-Tex Shakedry 1985 Jacket ($300). Though I’m sure there are far more affordable options…
A Merino Wool hat to wear under the cycling helmet.
Core Body Temperature Sensor
The CORE Body Temperature Sensor does what it says… That said, I’m not sure I have a real reason to use it, it’s expensive, and I’m not heat training…Just would be more data to have on hand for training overall.
Sleeping Earbuds
Soundcore Sleep A20 ($104 now, retail later will be $149) are sleep ear buds that act like a sound machine that is highly customizable, and has sound blocking.
New TV
Hisense U7K ($449) is the semi-affordable TV to replace the current TV. This U7K TV is a rather decent TV, and a good bang for the buck. This is 55″ or 65″. Can’t really go much bigger than that in our current space. Though if I was getting a dream TV, I’d go LG G4 at either 55″ ($2,499.99) or 65″ ($3299.99) as best TVs one can get. Note, that’s to replace our main TV, not the one for patio use which as noted above would be a basic 32″, so long as it was 1080p, or 1440p monitor…
Books
The Ninth House series by Leigh Bardugo, starts with Ninth House ($13.48), then Hell Bent ($12.73) is the second book in the series (the 3rd and last book isn’t out yet). She’s got a new book out, but not in the Ninth House series. The Familiar ($17.98).
Rest of the Saga graphic novel series. I have book one. Saga Book Two ($33.94), Saga Book Three ($34.42)
S. ($23.72) by J.J. Abrams and Doug Dorst.
The Electric State ($24.49) by Simon Stålenhag, then maybe their book Labyrinth ($29.14).
Tertiary Wishes
Now we’re getting to true wishes. Most of the above can be a bit more justified, but these still have their place. The video card might be first here, but it is far more expensive. The power meter peddles for the bike are actually secondary (nearly primary), but they are sort of expensive to justify putting them up there.
A New Video Card
Technically this would be a secondary wish list item, but the issues I was having with the current card seem to have been fixed a bit, plus it’s expensive. The card here is a GeForce RTX 4080 (aprox $1200 – $1400+). There are better graphics cards out now, but the price/value sort of drops off, at least without going for 4k gaming… and really, the 5070, 5080, and 5090 likely will be out by Q3 2024, which will have a far greater improvement over the current 4000 series… and that’s not counting AMD’s offerings… but the 4080 sort of hits what I need and want from a video card, and unless it’s near the Q3 2024 launch of the 5000 series cards, it’s likely to be the main choice until then.
A New Monitor
The above graphics card would be far overkill for my current monitor. ASUS TUF Gaming 27″ – VG27AQL1A ($410 last check) is the monitor of choice… problem is as I run a dual monitor setup, I’d need another1440 monitor for the second one, though wouldn’t have to be as high end. That is about the best I can do on my current graphics card (I’d probably have to turn some things down), and near the top end of what the graphics card I want above can do without turning graphic options down. Sure, I’d prefer a 4k monitor, but that does require a much higher end graphics card than I have, and even the one above would be hard pressed to do 4K properly.
New Wheels and Group Sets for the Bike
EDIT: For the groupset, See new Revised Fitness Wishlist for the updated version of this part.
So one of the main problems with a Gravel Bike is that the tires are a bit too big and knobbly for efficient road use. The wheel set that comes with the bikes are a general middle of the road between road and gravel (gravel being part way to a proper mountain bike). The first wheel set I’d want would be more specific to road, then after having those, then if I was serious about gravel racing, then perhaps gravel specific, but that would be way down the line. Road set would be high on the list… now a wheel set includes the wheels, tires, and in the case of the rear wheel, a cassette that would work with whatever bike I have (technically road cassettes and gravel cassettes are a bit different, so long as the derailleur could handle it… and that’s where I’d have to see the bike dealer, otherwise just get a matching cassette) . So obviously this all depends on what bike I had.
As far as the groupset, I’m currently thinking upgrade to SRAM Force AXS (preferably with the dual-sided Quarq power meter crankset), then an SRAM XX1 Eagle AXS rear derailer, and a SRAM X01 Eagle, 10-52t cassette, and SRAM Force AXS brakes).
New tires that are more appropriate for gravel and roads. Pirelli Cinturato Gravel M (about $90 each, Amazon link will be later) in 45mm wide. My existing wheels (wheels here I’m referring to what the tires are mounted to, then to the bike itself, the part in between the two) are 700c, and I’m not 100% sure it’d let me put these on, though in theory that shouldn’t be the main issue. Not sure if it would be worth going for 650b size wheels, or sticking with the 700c size wheels… but new wheels would likely be in the cards with the new tires, though that’s where it gets expensive… 650b might be the best choice overall. Wheels get very expensive though, and most wheel sets would require changing which gears I use too… which I’d want to do anyhow. Like these Mason & Hunt wheels are fairly cheap at $419.30 for the full set (front and back). I’d probably switch to the Sram Red XPLR AXS (however, that’s over $3500 for the full groupset)… that is if that groupset is compatible with the bike’s hanger… Like this assumes sticking with the current bike, which is a good enough bike. If I upgraded, I’d probably want a Titanium, but for more “affordable” I’d go with Lauf Seigla Ultimate (about $6k), and if stuck with a mainstream brand dream bikes, I’d go with either the Specizlized Crux (S-Works), or Trek Checkpoint SLR 9… but at those price points (near $12k), may as well go with a Titanium dream bike either No. 22, or Sage, which get into full on dream territory… No. 22 being slightly more into dream territory as then the bike is custom built to one’s exact size, as in you have to go to a special bike fitter and get the sizing absolutely correct.
Quaternary Wishes
The fourth, but not last section of this wish list probably should have the cash and games near the top. The AirPods are more the luxury item…. Well, so is the Headwind… The hitch and rack being the most sensible item after the cash. The SUP is sort of like a… would be nice, but don’t know if I’d use it enough to justify…
Inflatable Stand Up Paddle Board
The SUP section of the Fitness Wish List is still mostly accurate. With the SereneLife Inflatable Stand Up Paddle Board ($389.99, though on sale 44% off while typing this 27 May, for $219.99) still being plenty for my use, though I’d need a PFD and electric pump still, as noted on the aforementioned Fitness Wish List. This is here more for giggles than being serious… but still would be somewhat fun to have, though wouldn’t be used as much as much of the stuff even below it…
Go Pro Hero 11
To record rides, a Go Pro Hero 11 ($399.99 @ Amazon)… more coming later… Also, this Hover Camera X1 ($329 or $469 when it goes retail), is a pocket sized drone that would help make sweet videos of rides. Or more likely for the action cam, an Insta360 ONE X2, which I’d need to add mounting stuff, but probably the better camera for what I’d be doing. As of February 2024, I’m less sure about a camera, like cool, but I might move this down the list.
Hitch for the Car and Tray Bike Hauler
So right now the only way I have of moving a bike around is a removable thing that mounts to the trunk of my car. That isn’t very secure, and is easy to steal a bike off of. A hitch mount is far more secure, safe… and well secure in lowering theft as well. If I were to go to U-Haul and have them install a trailer hitch, that would be $288.75 to $308.75 (depending on which hitch). Then one needs a rack to install in said hitch, here there’s a few choices, but the best long term investment there is a tray mount as it’s best not to hold a bike by the frame, and if you have a carbon frame, you have to use a tray mount. At the pricier end is the Thule T2 Pro XTR ($639.96), down to the RockyMounts MonoRail ($499.99). You can go much more expensive, but not much cheaper, and those are about the best two of the bunch. Of course who knows how long my current car is good for (it’s costing about $1k in repairs each inspection), so while the tray mount could be moved once a new car had a hitch, the money spent on the hitch itself might be wasted. Might be best to wait on this until a new car…
More Bike Stuff…
I also own a basic pair of bibs shorts with a cheaper chamois, and it functions okay. I might pickup a basic bike shirt if I get a bike again, the local Pro Bike Run has a good sale on their named gear… Ideally, down the line I’d get better bibs and shirts from Aero Tech Designs, a local place, known nationally, that actually designs, and sews their cycling apparel here in Pittsburgh, and was part of the original fitness wish list way back in July 2020. They also do custom designs for clubs, and others, like if someone wanted to sponsor me… lol… Seriously though, my basic bib shorts are okay for now, I’d just buy on of the sale shirts and should be good to go for a while, then upgrade to the better gear.
And one last also, apparently helmets are really only good for 5 years. Then the foam like material in them starts to degrade. Mine is about 3 years old (as of 2023), so it’s got a couple to a few more years. I might get another year or so out of it past the 5, but something to think about down the line. The important thing is it is MIPS, and is highly visible. Bonus points for having a retention system (a knob on the back), and extra points for that retention system having height adjustability.
Cash and Games
Keeping some of this section from the original birthday list… Just moved way down…
Cold hard cash (PayPal and credit card donations can be made here, though add a note it’s for Birthday, as 10% of all donations I get there otherwise go to The Trevor Project).
Steam gift cards. Or direct off my Steam Wishlist. Also number one on that list is expensive enough ($649), that it is actually much further down the list, but it comes in 3 versions, the cheapest isn’t worth it at all, the midrange version comes close, but the lack of storage space and how slow it is makes the premium version worth the extra money… Unfortunately one can’t specify in the Steam wish list which one wants. The first few games are in order, but after that… so really a Steam Gift Card is probably best.
Proper VO2 Max and Heart Rate Zone Testing
So next on the list. Going to get my VO2 Max tested. While the watch is likely accurate for this, what’s more important is that while testing that and metabolic rate, they can find my actual heart rate zones.
There are times that according to my watch I’m past zone 5 and I feel I’m still well in max. In fact, I think that all my zones are off a tad. Likely because I used an age based calculator to find my heart rate zones.
My VO2 Max on my current watch, has me at a fitness age of 33, so nearly 20 years younger than I am… Now fitness age I wouldn’t put much stock in. It says my VO2 Max is in the top 15% of people my age and gender, and that might be more accurate.
The heart rate zones though, need a little more accuracy than a simple age based one.
Insurance likely doesn’t cover the costs of this. Though it’s normally around $100 or so anyhow.
Proper coaching
Not sure the costs to get a coach to help get my cycling better…
Quinary Wishes
Now we’re getting near to the end.
A New Car
So my car is getting older, nearly 10 years as I write this, and has nearly 190k miles. Any year specified is that or newer. As of April 2025, the car now has over 200k miles, and is over 11 years old. Also, as of 4 April 2025, the below list is sort of out of date. I’ll update someday…
Plug in hybrids would probably be main choice, but makes zero sense until I was in a house, with a garage, where I could plug it in overnight, so generally would be regular ICE car, then regular hybrid, then full EV, as I can still get to charging stations. I mostly note the regular version below, but if a Hybrid is available from that generation, then that would likely be preferred over the regular one.
Semi affordable: Chevy Trax (second generation, 2024 model year on, prior generation wasn’t as good). Hyundai Kona (2nd generation (2023+) preferred, but 1st generation from 2020 model year on okay). Subaru Crosstrek (3rd generation (2022+) preferred, but 2nd generation after 2021 on okay, prefer the the 3rd generation Wilderness. Toyota Prius (5th Gen 2023+, the Prius Prime same generation would be even better, but as noted, plug in hybrids make near no sense). Hyundai Tucson (4th gen 2020+).
More midsize: Subaru Outback (7th generation, especially Wilderness, very highly preferred, might be main car choice on list, but as of July 2025, not out yet, for 6th generation, 2024 Wilderness would be preferred, but most any 6th gen (2020+) would be good). Hyundai Santa Cruz 2025 XRT, though most any model is okay. Hyundai Santa Fe (5th gen (2023+) preferred, but 4th gen from 2021 on okay).
Full EV: Hyundai Ionic 9 (2025+), then Kia EV 9, then most of the rest of the Ionic or Kia EV range. Luxury end would be a Volvo XC 90, then Rivian.
Steam Deck
Remember what I said about it in the first section of this list about Steam wish list? This is where it’d go on this list.
Senary Wishes
We end things with the expense bikes… Though at this point I’d need a storage unit, and/or a new home. Lol.
Treadmill
This section will be revised soon, as of February 2024 it is out of date.
The main use of a treadmill is to use Zwift, and Zwift has a somewhat likely out of date list of Zwift Compatible Running Hardware. Again though, any basic treadmill can do if your watch, running pods, or heart rate monitor can send that data to Zwift.
Again, this would require a new house, with a fitness area (read “dry basement”), as I can’t put one at my current location (not only is there no space, seriously not allowed per the condo association rules). I mean, unless I could have internet and electricity at a storage unit and did the stuff there…
EDIT: February 2024, the no questions asked treadmill of choice would be the Wahoo Kickr Run, which runs about $5000, which seems insane, but given the level it is competing at, it actually apparently is a bargain. Again though, 100% impossible to use at current home.
Telescope
Celestron C9.25 ($1899.95) with either a CGEM II EQ Mount and Tripod ($1699) or CGX EQ Mount and Tripod ($2399). Near as I can tell, the CGX is smoother on tracking, and quieter. Not sure that unless one was getting super serious for astro-photography if it is worth the extra money, but it does sort of future proof that way…
Smart Trainer for Bike – EDIT: Got one see update
EDIT: July 2025. As I have a good enough one, I’ve moved this near the bottom, but keeping it as there are some notes worth keeping in mind.
EDIT: 25 June 2025. So earlier this month, I got a FREE Elite Suito (they no longer list the trainer on their site) trainer from a local Facebook bike group. It had an issue where it was tuck on a high difficulty, like it thought it was at a 10 or 15% incline, somewhere in there we’ll say. Magnets wouldn’t move. I contacted Elite’s customer service, it was an easy fix, just a bad control unit, and as the unit was likely out of the warranty window, they’d have to charge. Fine. Cheap and easy enough. So I order the part, 10 days later it comes in, and this morning (25th), I install it. It works wonderfully. Then I got an email from Elite saying they were refunding my purchase, which I’m not going to argue with. I did a quick spin on MyWoosh, then during break at work, I did a quick 15 minute ride on Zwift, and during lunch, did another ride on Zwift. All three rides worked great. Things yet needed before going too serious, a big enough yoga or workout mat to catch the sweat, as noted further down, and a replacement for the cassette on the trainer now that would match what my bike’s derailleur is set to. While most of the platforms support virtual shifting, and the Elite Suito allows for virtual shifting, for some programs that don’t yet support it, I’d like to change the cassette to match. Also, still need a proper way of using Zwift, MyWoosh, Biketerra, and the like. My tablet isn’t powerful enough for any of them. All my rides today were done on my phone, and I didn’t have a thing to hold it properly today, so that made it hard. If I can’t use it in the house on the computer, either my old one on the TV, or the main one, then that means a better tablet, and fi I can’t use that in the house either, that means likely would have to have the ability to connect as an extra line (which means buying an extra line), and one still needs to be able to plug everything in. Anyhow, massive thanks to Elite for getting me the part, and the refund, and all that.
So one of the main reasons I wanted a bike period, way back in 2020/2021, like over 80% (probably over 90%), is to use Zwift, TrainerRoad, or other similar apps (more on those later). So it’d be number one on this list, but space to use it is why it’s down here. Plus to use it anywhere I can’t see the computer or living room TV, means an iPad, gaming level laptop, Apple TV and a new TV (not exactly portable though), or something along those lines.
The main advantage of a smart trainer is being able to do actual training, at set power levels. Which one can’t do realistically on the road, at least without power meter pedals, which are further down the list. And power meters are far more expensive than a trainer, though become required in addition to a trainer if one is serious about racing on Zwift and other platforms for cash or other prizes. Even with all that, the terrain, temperature and wind, cars, other people on the road or trail, all effect what one is doing, making it near impossible to keep at a certain power zones. Indoor training fixes that. Plus you can do it every day, all year, where going out in the snow, rain, extreme heat and cold, and dealing with road traffic, make it harder to train outdoors.
Also, programs like Zwift help gamify the fitness, and keep you riding, chasing kits (clothing items, such as socks, gloves, glasses, shirts, bibs, bike shorts, shoes, etc.), bikes, wheels, badges, achievements, and more. Like it’d probably be my most played “game” while also helping me get more fit. Like I said, it’d probably be my main “game”, even over my Steam games and the like, because there’s just more I could in theory do, and goals to chase. New routs to take. There’s so much that one could take advantage of with it. Seriously, it’d be used a lot if I could use of Zwift and others like it. My most played game is Path of Exile, a Free to Play game that I have over 600 hours in (might be able to see digging around in my Steam Profile), though that’s since 2012 and most of that is the last few years (which is beyond the point), but to say that I think I’d get that many hours in Zwift in less than a year. Zwift is basically the number one reason I have a bike in the first place.
The doctor also recently recommended I put the bike on a trainer to help with things like overall fitness, the especially heart health, and this was before he knew I wanted one. His concern was more riding when it was too hot, too cold, raining, and focusing on heart health training. Because you can focus what you are working on, legs, heart, lungs, endurance, all can be worked on specifically, while just going out and riding is just focusing on basic health, not heart health or whatever. Basically just overall fitness would be vastly improved. And others could use it as well, they could ride on the bike and trainer on their own account, and get fit as well.
My last two therapist, especially the last one, also said I should get one, as it would greatly improve my mental health and happiness.
Smart trainers are quieter than a stationary bike that people might be used to, it’s even quieter than a bike on the road, so noise isn’t a concern. The people in the units below and to the sides wouldn’t hear it. Even people in the same unit in different rooms would have to really listen for it to hear it, and would likely hear me breathing heavy than the bike and trainer itself.
The back wheel is taken off, so no spreading dirt while riding. So it is clean, and one would have a mat under everything to catch sweat and keep the floor itself clean. I’d likely put those puzzle style floor mats down first (helps reduce vibrations), then the trainer mat to help keep things clean and even more quiet.
The big problem with the smart trainer, is space is tight. They aren’t big by themselves, they can be put aside and aren’t overly heavy. It’s the space for the bike. Like the footprint of a Wahoo Kickr Core below is 20″x23″ while the legs are open, and closes to 20″x9″ when the legs are closed for storage. It’s small enough to fit in a corner or storage space while not in use, and wouldn’t be noticeable.
It’s the bike on it that adds to the space. The bike itself is about 5.5′ long, so about the size of me lying down. The back wheel comes off so the bike can drive the trainer, so the whole setup would take up less than 2′ by 6′ of space while in use, and folds down to a fairly small footprint when the bike is away. Still, that’s a bit of room to use up in the unit itself while in use. Where the bike goes between uses is probably the other problem, though more on that below too.
I can in theory use it anywhere I’d have WiFi and a way to plug the trainer and a fan in, and somewhere to hold the iPad or laptop, or add another line to my phone plan, and some wi-fi adapter to use it that way.
Also, regardless of which of the trainers I got… The new Zwift Play controllers ($149, though on sale for $99 during the beta software period, which is still the price as of August 2024) would be a great bonus, as they help navigate the menus and other stuff without the need to have a keyboard/mouse. They also add steering to Zwift, and can be used for virtual shifting on trainers that allow for that, more on that in a bit. This is most certainly optional, but helpful in Zwift.
And while Zwift is one of the main aims here, especially as some of the main choices include a year of it free, there are other similar apps like Rouvy where one rides on real video on real courses around the world (over 1000 courses), Rolla which is currently free, My Woosh, which also free (though notably, as it is funded by the UAE, some accuse it of sports washing), and which is what the UCI is using for official esports cycling, and Training Peaks Virtual (previously indieVello, which was free, but is now part of a premium Training Peaks subscription). Then there’s TrainerRoad and Xert eventually when I’m ready for more serious training, as they have lots of features that make for serious training, and both now integrate with Zwift natively. Note, while Zwift has a gift card, you can’t for some reason use it for the membership, just physical items like socks, shirts, and the like.
One can see more about Zwift on a fan site called Zwift Insider. I’d probably get a ZwiftPower account (free)… I’d probably use Sauce for Zwift to help spice up my streams…
Anyhow, here are the trainers, it’d be only ONE of these. The first two are the more “affordable” ones, then going up in price with the last two. EDIT 25 June 2025: See first Edit above in this section, I did get a trainer, that is fairly decent and accurate enough for my level. I’d say these are more here for legacy reasons, though the Kickr v6, and the Garmin ones would still be useful upgrades.
- Wahoo Kickr Core Zwift One ($499.99). This is accurate enough for my current, and likely ever, fitness level, and for what I’d be using it for. The JetBlack Victory, next item, is slightly preferred, but that one isn’t in stock, and getting one means waiting for who knows how long.
- The JetBlack VICTORY ($399.00). It does have 2 months of Zwift. And it is my first choice. It’s main advantage over the Wahoo Kickr Core is that it has WiFi, and doesn’t rely on Bluetooth which can drop connection at times, and it has a heart rate bridge, so it can take the heart rate, and bridge it to the computer, Apple TV, whatever over it’s connection, and the WiFi connection also allows it to be far more accurate in races. EDIT: As of April 2025, there are many problems getting this, as it is constantly out of stock, and when they open orders, they sell out super fast, as in less than 24 hours. Also, as noted, that price is before the tariffs, and so that will go up at least 46%. EDIT: As of late April, they have added a $30 tariff fee to all orders, and still are having issues getting stock, and reliability on Reddit seems in question, so I’ve moved it to second place again.
- Wahoo also makes a much higher end trainer than the Core. The Wahoo Kicr Smart Trainer v6 ($999.99) has the WiFi that the the JetBlack Victory does, but is far more accurate, and can handle far more power than either the Core or the Victory. There’s a reason it is far more expensive than the Core or Victory. That said, within what I am using it for, and likely ever fitness level, the Core and Victory are enough. It is important to note that this is a good deal only with the newer v6 versions, the slightly older v5, which one might find on Marketplace or whatever, while good, can’t do as much as the v6, can’t use the Zwift Cog for example, can’t do virtual shifting, and a few other things, that make it less useful, and may as well just get the newer Core or Victory. Another advantage of the v6 is it has Erg mode smoothing, mostly useful for getting going again during an Erg mode workout if you stop partway through. It also folds into a tight space. It also has a bit of side to side movement that makes it far more comfortable (comfort can be cranked up by getting the Kicr Move ($1299.99) which adds forward and back movement, but that’s overkill for somebody like me. The regular v6 is the sweet spot in everything, but at my level, the core is probably plenty.
- Now we get to the dream trainers, the Garmin ones. Though I’ll keep this part simple, compared to the ones above anyhow… The Taxc Neo 2T ($1399.99 … yeah, that’s why it’s so far down the list…) which can simulate far better than the ones above with downhill simulation, and road feel. Just slightly ahead of that would be the Tacx Neo 3M ($1999.99), which is like a 2T, but even better stats, and adds movement… are those worth the extra money at my level? Probably not. Also, they currently don’t offer the ability to do virtual shifting, and they don’t use WiFi, so while they excel in some ways, they are sort of outdated.
EDIT 25 June 2025: These are the items that still make sense now that I have a working trainer.
Not a trainer, but the Zwift Cycling Training Mat ($80), while advertised to help reduce sound, is more to keep the sweat off the carpet or floor, though vibrations may be the main thing it dampens. This mat is 36″ x 80″ and 6 mm (nearly a 1/4″) thick. A larger yoga mat probably is about the same thing, and cheaper, so long as it is the same size or larger. One could also use puzzle exercise mats if one can find some that are wide enough. JetBlack Trainer Mat ($39.00) is basically the same thing for far less. ELITE Folding Trainer Mat One Color, One Size,Black ($48.47) is another option that is on the Amazon Wish list (one of two mats), again much cheaper than the Zwift branded one. So probably the JetBlack One, followed by one of the ones on the Amazon wish list.
A place to put the iPad or Laptop would be needed too if being used anywhere other than looking at the main computer or TV in the living room. There’s a Wahoo Indoor Cycling Desk ($299.99) though I’m sure any adjustable small table would be fine, and I can probably find those at Target, Home Goods, or something for far less. Or perhaps even better, would be a floor tablet stand, such as this ASWINN Tablet Floor Stand ($25.88), though that assumes an iPad from below. If I were to get a laptop, probably just a taller laptop desk from Home Goods. This is another area where JetBlack has a small holder, but it’s more for just holding the phone and some snacks…
Potentially, if I could, a vertical bike stand ($39.99), to hold the bike on the porch if I’m going to use it all again so soon that taking it back down to the storage locker would be a waste.
Another item needed if being used anywhere but the main computer or TV in the living room, is a better fan. There is the Wahoo Kickr Headwind below, but that’s $300, an insane amount to spend on a fan. The Amazon Wish List has a Vacmaster AM201R Portable Air Mover with Remote Control ($79.06) which would be okay, and is basically a carpet drying fan, and is the cheapest option for a good fan to keep cool while on a trainer. The JetBlack Trainer Fan ($149.00) is an exercise specific fan, though missing some of the Kickr Headwind features.