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		<title>Newt&#8230; and Christians</title>
		<link>http://www.brianathomas.com/archives/2011/12/18/newt-and-christians/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 13:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brian A. Thomas</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, Newt &#8220;Lets Return to the days of child labor&#8221; Gingrich is no longer running for President of the United States, but Emperor, since he plans on <a href="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/17/gingrich-ill-ignore-any-supreme-court-ruling-i-disagree-with/">ignoring any Supreme Court ruling he disagrees with</a> and therefor ignore the Constitution and the balance of power between the 3 branches.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the fact that people like Newt can be a front runner that I could never be a Christian again. Almost all evangelical Christians are Republican. The people who take the most literal interpretation of the Bible vote for a party that runs 100% contrary to the teachings of Jesus. If they voted the way Jesus would,we would be trying to help the sick and the poor, not the wealthy and money lenders, they would be the ones trying to enforce the separation of church and state and we would have universal health care. But no, they want to vote for a guy who thinks people are poor because they are lazy and we need to make their kids work to teach them not to be lazy, that people become wealthy (which itself is contrary to the teaching of Jesus, though he doesn&#8217;t want them to be poor, contrary to some teachings) exclusively through hard work, ignore the fact they get their wealth by stealing the money earned by the labor of others (aka, the poor). They despise the 600+ people who don&#8217;t have a job locally (there are far more than 600 unemployed in the area, but I am speaking of one specific group), and praise the wealthy person who used to employ them, even though he fired them and denied the rest of his employees raises for two years just so he could have a jet and another mansion. </p>
<p>Sure, there are a few rare Christians who are actually appalled by the actions of modern day Republicans and the Christian right, but they are few&#8230; and they would say it isn&#8217;t fair to blame Christianity, or God/Jesus for the fact that a mass majority of Christians are acting the way they are. But you can blame God. If God was real, if he was the loving/caring God that they claim, he would speak to them. He apparently does and tells everyone a conflicting version. This of course the Christians blame on the fallibility of people not hearing him right, but here it is the vast majority hearing him wrong, or at least in direct conflict with what was taught in the Bible we have today&#8230; heck it conflicts with a great deal of what was taught in the books that weren&#8217;t included in the end. Heck there are tons of errors in a book that many take literal and made by an infallible God (oh, but the people who wrote it for him, or copied it made those errors). So who then is to say that the people who picked the books to be included didn&#8217;t make errors? Perhaps God wanted some of those included, but no, the Bible is the way God wanted&#8230; as to which Bible is the way God wanted it is up for debate since the Catholic Bible doesn&#8217;t match the Protestant Bible.</p>
<p>An example of copy errors made in the Bible:<br />
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<p>They ignore the fact that almost all prayer is never answered. Even reasonable, compassionate prayer. I don&#8217;t expect God to help somebody win the lottery, or do something that conflicts with the Bible. But reasonable ones, like not dying of cancer (&#8220;but God doesn&#8217;t promise we won&#8217;t have hardships&#8221;&#8230; convenient enough), or being able to feed your kids this week. If somebody delivered on promises and calls for help as well as God does, they would ignore that person, but God they stick with, because while he fails all his Earthly promises, the promise of Heaven he&#8217;ll keep&#8230; So they suffer on Earth for the promise of a better life in heaven&#8230; where they will have to praise God 24/7 for all he has done&#8230; WTF? Thanks for letting me suffer on Earth so I could praise you in heaven 24/7&#8230; wait, what is the point? You have the angels that could do that&#8230; they don&#8217;t have free will? Bull shit, Lucifer and a third of heaven made a choice, so they clearly have free will. </p>
<p>One could say that it isn&#8217;t God messing up, just man, and I could perhaps get my faith back if a few key things happened, but I could never go back to church and be around these sick, demented people who don&#8217;t care about the sick and the poor, and just care about what impact helping those sick and poor would have on their wallet, and rather help themselves and the money lenders, because, that is who the church says to care about, the church itself will take care of sick and the poor once enough rich people are in the church to aid them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Kirk Cameron&#8217;s and Ray Comfort&#8217;s Way of the Master Series</title>
		<link>http://www.brianathomas.com/archives/2009/03/02/kirk-camerons-and-ray-comforts-way-of-the-master-series/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brian A. Thomas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is a great series put out by a Christian that refutes the Kirk Cameron&#8217;s and Ray Comfort&#8217;s Way of the Master series. In the series, Cameron and [..]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a great series put out by a Christian that refutes the Kirk Cameron&#8217;s and Ray Comfort&#8217;s Way of the Master series. In the series, Cameron and Comfort try to prove Creationism, particularly Young Earth Creationism. The video series that follows points out a few of the lies that Cameron and Comfort tell.<br />
There are 4 videos in all, and hopefully they flow one after the other automatically:<br />
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I have been long bothered by Young Earth Creationist, and it has revived as my special interest of the moment. It seems there is a revival of Young Earth Creationism going on. They of course now call it Intelligent Design, but it is still the same flawed views of the Bible and Science. It is the kind of views that caused Galileo Galilei to be put under house arrest by the Church for suggesting (and he was by no means the first) that the Sun was at the center of our solar system. The church believed, and the Bible indeed says, that the Earth doesn&#8217;t move and that the heavens, the sun and everything else, revolves around the Earth. Now of course nobody takes those verses literally today. Even Kirk Cameron, Ray Comfort, Kent Hovind and the other big pushers of Young Earth Creationism wouldn&#8217;t suggest we take those verses literally. Yet, those verses are just as scientific as the ones giving the proverb (if it is even that) of creation. If they insist on standing by a literal interpretation of Genesis, than they have to stand by the literal interpretation of the Earth being at the center of the Universe. They of course won&#8217;t do that, they know they would be ignored even by fellow Christians. Hopefully in a very short time, the Evangelicals will catch up with the Catholic church, who oddly enough were the runs who put Galileo under house arrest for trying to prove the Earth wasn&#8217;t the center of the universe, in accepting the origins of the universe, origins of life and evolution (which, contrary to Creationist teachings has nothing to do with the first two)&#8230; okay, well, I know they accept evolution, not sure about the other two, still a good step compared to what the Evangelicals are doing now. Perhaps evangelical&#8217;s faith is so weak it can&#8217;t stand the pressure of Genesis not being literal, or perhaps they think God is too weak to overcome science&#8230; which would get back to a lack of faith.</p>
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		<title>The Carbon Dating Issue</title>
		<link>http://www.brianathomas.com/archives/2009/02/13/the-carbon-dating-issue/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 03:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brian A. Thomas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I meant to put this up yesterday (February 12th), as it would have tied in a bit better, but better late than never, and the next date to [..]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to put this up yesterday (February 12th), as it would have tied in a bit better, but better late than never, and the next date to tie it into wouldn&#8217;t be until November 24th.<br />
I recall hearing in church, or reading stuff from church and the like about how a live seal would carbon date thousands of years old, among other examples this video talks about. The point they were trying to make was that the Earth couldn&#8217;t be as old as scientist say, or at least cast doubt on their measurement methods.<br />
Well, this video goes into a bit on the actual science going on in fairly simple terms.<br />
EDIT: Since from the comment below it may not be obvious, but the point of the video is to point how Creationist are wrong when they say carbon dating doesn&#8217;t work. I thought the video was self explanatory, but&#8230;<br />
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<p>I may post more of this guys videos as time goes on.</p>
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		<title>Temptation</title>
		<link>http://www.brianathomas.com/archives/2008/03/08/temptation/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brian A. Thomas</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While from a neo-Christian perspective I may have wondered from the path (for reasons stated below and others that I&#8217;ll hold to myself), I think I can still speak on a Christian subject, hopefully with a more open mind than when I was in full God mode. <img src='http://www.brianathomas.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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Seeing how a Christian can not be possessed by a demon/devil/Satan (contrary to what you may see in the movies, read in books, or even heard of in some church circles, Biblically speaking it isn&#8217;t possible and I am fairly certain I coved that topic before so I won&#8217;t do so now), how then does the devil temp Christians, or put thoughts into their heads?<br />
If the devil can&#8217;t poses a Christian, and isn&#8217;t physically in front of them to tempt them, then he can not be blamed for their temptation. Too much blame is pushed off onto the devil by Christians, &#8220;the devil made me do it,&#8221; people may claim, but the reality is, the thought was theirs, and theirs alone. It is passing blame for one&#8217;s own shortfalls and choices.<br />
Now the Cristian response may be that the devil and his demons are spirits and perhaps they occupy a fourth dimension or something that only our own spirit can access, and the temptations come when they speak to our spirit. However not only does this violate Biblical principle, it ignores the fact that temptation comes from our minds. And we can&#8217;t say that if somebody tries to push us to try some pot, or something else that Christians may typically call &#8220;evil&#8221; that they are agent of the devil.<br />
Seeing how non-Christians and Christians alike face the exact same temptations, I doubt we can blame the devil for too many temptations for which he wasn&#8217;t physically present (at least to the extent a spirit that can occupy only one space at one time can by physically present) for. We see the devil tempting Jesus in Mathew 4 and Luke 4. Neither book gives a physical description, but it is clear that the devil is there physically to conduct the temptation in person.<br />
It is clear to me that essentially all temptation on the Earth is the the result of free will and not the devil. To pass blame to the devil is perhaps one of Christianities greatest shortfalls. This isn&#8217;t to say that Christians need to drop the concept of the devil, quite the contrary, but they must stop passing the buck and accept free will for the gift that it was intended to be.<br />
Another problem I have of late with Christianity is the full authoritarian model that is taught today in Christian circles, and the superiority complex that has always ran rampet in Christianity, to the point of killing those who didn&#8217;t accept the Church&#8217;s doctrine. While the Church may not be on mass killing sprees as it once was, it still outcasts and condemns those who they see as wrong, which is fully contrary to the teachings of Jesus. Jesus wouldn&#8217;t have been pushing to stop gays from getting married, condemning pagans, knocking drug users or anything else that Christians consider themselves above. Jesus was in the gutter with these people, talking with them, laughing with them, but never condemning or outcasting. He never said He was above them. He embraced them and loved them for whom they were&#8230; and not one of those typical Christian messages &#8220;We love you, God loves you, but&#8230;&#8221; type stuff, but He honestly took them for what they were. Why? Because of free will. He doesn&#8217;t want to be worshiped by people forced into it, or by people scared into it, or whatever causes a great many people to accept Christianity.<br />
Another example of Christian superiority complex setting in is when a pastor may point out that the tomb of Jesus is empty, but the tomb of Mohammad or Buddha is not. However, that isn&#8217;t apples to apples, it isn&#8217;t even apples to oranges, more like apples to iPods. The Christian claim is Jesus is God, made flesh, stripped of His deity for the salvation of man, but Islam doesn&#8217;t teach that Mohammad was God made flesh, just that he was the last prophet, and while greatly revered, I am not under the impression they worship him like Christians worship Jesus. The Buddha reference is even further off the mark. For one thing, Buddhism in general isn&#8217;t a religion so much a philosophy, but even if we extend it to religious aspects the point is moot, at least to a Buddhist since they believe in reincarnation. The Buddhist would just point out that the body is nothing more then a vessel for the spirit of the individual to occupy during this lifetime, something Christians believe themselves, but Buddhist extend that by saying the spirit moves onto the next body, so who cares where the body of Gautama Buddha is at, his spirit continues. Heck pre-judeo-christian religions have at least one god, a Lord of the Harvest (a term applied to Christ), who died and resurrected, and we know the early Jews would have known about that god very well. Another pre-judeo-christian religion going back even farther tells how a mono-theistic god sent his son to save mankind via death and resurrection. Now, Christian apologists will point out the nit-picking points of those myths to show that Christianity isn&#8217;t a copy cat religion; however the fact that there are pre-judeo-christian religions that have similar stories as the Jesus story is reason enough to drop this end of the superiority complex.<br />
Back to temptation before I close out. Even if the devil is face to face with somebody tempting them, they still can&#8217;t claim the devil made them do it, because in the end they have free will to act upon the temptation or not.<br />
Anyhow, it is way past my bed time.</p>
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		<title>The Golden Compass</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brian A. Thomas</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Golden Compass (Amazon link coming soon, but for some reason the link builder isn&#8217;t working) is coming to theaters soon (<a href="http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/thegoldencompass/">trailer</a>) and a whole bunch of Christian groups are preparing to protest the movie, New Line (the film&#8217;s distributors) and in general making a fuss over the whole film and books. The controversy undoubtedly will make the film more popular then it would have been without the protest, as these things always do; however, unlike the Last Temptation of Christ, a crappy film that few would have seen had it not been for the protests, the Golden Compass has broad appeal and would be a huge commercial success even without the controversy, now it gets to be even more popular.<br />
Some minor spoilers may be coming so keep that in mind as we go on. To be safe, I&#8217;ll bury the rest below the break.<br />
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Philip Pullman, the author of the books has been an outspoken critic of religion, especially Christianity, and in the books the church is an evil repressive force and eventually the children rebel against the Authority, who is worshiped as God on Lyra&#8217;s (the primary character) earth. The Authority is not God, creator of the universe, but is revealed to be the first angel, but as he is worshiped as God, and the actions of the church, some Christian groups are in an uproar.<br />
I have to wonder if these groups think that God is in Heaven worrying about the books or movie series. If they do, then they are in fact saying the Pullman and the movies are more powerful then God Himself, which would be wrong. So let&#8217;s say that they are worried about the effect it will make them less likely to worship God in the future. Once again they are assuming the books and films are more powerful then God, that God wouldn&#8217;t be able to overcome this difficulty, which is absurd. What they are doing is placing their reality above God&#8217;s reality, thereby placing themselves above God. They would say God is above all things, but in reality they are placing themselves above God since in their reality God can&#8217;t deal with these these issues. If God is above all things, then we shouldn&#8217;t worry ourselves over such trivial things as books, movies and the like.<br />
Let&#8217;s take a look at some of the valid criticisms against religion in general and Christianity in particular. Almost all the wars, and a great deal of the violence and hate come from religion and Christianity. Christianity is probably most guilty on this front, followed by Judaism and Islam, then a huge gap to get to some other smaller, mostly tribal religions, most of the others cultivate peace, or doesn&#8217;t factor other stuff&#8230; now I know lots of Christians will say that Christianity cultivates peace, which it is supposed to do, but seldom does, and that is what I am going to focus on for now.<br />
Christianity is without a doubt, the largest hate group on the planet right now. I can see this even as a Christian, and I know I am not alone among Christians. We got the obvious Christian hate groups and actions like the KKK, Hitler using Christianity as a partial excuse to do what he did, the witch trials and Spanish Inquisition just to name a few, but there are modern day examples as well.<br />
Christians are the ones leading the fight against gay rights. Largely using an Old Testament verse. The problem is that we are no longer subject to the Mosaic laws, and unless we were Jewish, we were never subject to them. All humans are subject to only a few laws of the Old Testament, the law of sickness and death, and the law of reaping and sewing. As Christians we are subject to the promises of the Old Testament, which along with the promise of Christ&#8217;s coming is what Christ was referring to when He said He came to fulfill the law not largely what He meant by not to destroy the law. The Mosaic laws have always applied only to Jews, and for them it still applies until they take Christ as their savior.  The New Testament does talk about avoiding sexual perversion and the like, but it doesn&#8217;t specify much of anything. Even so, such things are simply sin, and way too many Christians make a big deal out of sin. For more on that everyone should read <a href="/archives/2007/05/13/ohios-retarded-legislators-aka-you-cant-and-shouldnt-legislate-morality/">part 1</a>, <a href="/archives/2007/07/24/update-on-ohios-idiot-legislators-more-on-why-god-does-not-approve-of-legislating-morality/">part 2</a> and <a href="/archives/2007/08/26/you-cant-and-shouldnt-legislate-morality-part-3/">part 3</a> of my You Can&#8217;t and Shouldn&#8217;t Legislate Morality series.<br />
Christians are also among the largest pushers of the drug war (which originally was racial, which is largely comes from Christianity itself, just look at the KKK). Despite the fact that God made marijuana and even has it as a required ingredient in anointing oil (though the Bible calls it by it&#8217;s old name).<br />
Christians are behind the attempt at ethnic cleansing going on now in the US wars in Iraq, soon to be Iran and that region. We have documents from our leaders talking how they want to bring that region under control, how they wanted to implement certain things that became part of the Patriot Act, and how the American public would never go for it short of another Pearl Harbor event, which they conveniently got on 9/11. Now I am not convinced that our government helped to demolish the twin towers, and can even buy the official explanation on Building 7, despite the odds against it; however, I find it impossible to believe that the knew nothing, and believe they knew most if not all the details and let 3,000+ Americans die so they can start their war as an excuse to do ethnic cleansing (oil is a bonus).<br />
It was Christian church, who not too overly long ago killed people for thinking the Earth wasn&#8217;t flat. It was Christian church who killed people who proclaimed the Earth wasn&#8217;t the center of the universe. Lucky for us all that the Christian church isn&#8217;t advocating killing people for refusing to believe in Creationism. If it was, they would probably burn me at the stake as well, since I believe that the real physical creation of the universe looked much like the Big Bang and that evolution happened, just that God helped push it along when needed. I think to reject the scientific reality of evolution is foolish as there is plenty of room for God to work within that framework. The Genesis account is a recreation, and given the spiritual nature of the Bible, probably a spiritual recreation of the Earth at that. Genesis makes no account of DNA, that the Earth is round and not the center of the universe, that we have 8 planets, and yet all these things are accepted as reality. Genesis is not intended to be taken as a literal reality, there are plenty of things it doesn&#8217;t mention. As I said, there is plenty of room for God to work within the scientific reality&#8230; all of which is beyond the point. The point of this part was that the church was behind killing tons of people who refused to accept the church&#8217;s view of the world, once again placing their reality above that of God&#8217;s. The church was also guilty of killing tons of people as heretics who were most probably insane. The Christian church is also guilty of killing tons of people for practicing a different religion, or different form of Christianity&#8230; to the point that you would nearly have to add all other religion on religion kills together to equal it.<br />
Well, I think we covered enough for now. I got carried away with the criticisms against religion and Christianity and was originally planning on focusing more on the fact that God isn&#8217;t worried about it, so you shouldn&#8217;t worry either, but I think you get the idea.</p>
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		<title>You Can&#8217;t and Shouldn&#8217;t Legislate Morality Part 3</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brian A. Thomas</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following up <a href="/archives/2007/05/13/ohios-retarded-legislators-aka-you-cant-and-shouldnt-legislate-morality/">part 1</a> and <a href="/archives/2007/07/24/update-on-ohios-idiot-legislators-more-on-why-god-does-not-approve-of-legislating-morality/">part 2</a> of this discussion let&#8217;s talk about Romans 13, which says to be subject to the government. It is this part of the bible that <a href="http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987">our government is pushing pastors to push on their people, and some pastors are doing it</a>.<br />
Here is the thing, would these pastors push people to support everything the government does and says if somebody other than Bush was in office? I doubt they did when Clinton was in office. Would they say support the government if it enacted Jus Primae Noctis (where the political leader got first rights to any bride ahead of the groom). Would they support Hitler? They don&#8217;t support the governments support on abortion or many state&#8217;s desire to support gay marriage, so they clearly have limits. Clearly if this was to be the case, then we should apologize to England and resubmit ourselves to English rule since if we take Romans 13 the way the Bush administration wants us to, then we were wrong to revolt against an unjust government.<br />
Also, in context, this applies to good, Godly government. It is like the &#8220;wives obey your husband thing.&#8221; Yes it says that, but that doesn&#8217;t make her a slave to what the husband says, and it says in that same passage that the husband is to love his wife, which in principle means that he would never ask her to do anything she wouldn&#8217;t naturally do anyhow.<br />
Besides, Bush is not the government. Our elected officials are not the government. Homeland Security is not the government. The IRS is not the government. The Constitution is our government, even from a Romans 13 perspective, and if we were to be subject to anything, that is what we would be subject to. Only one candidate stands for the Constitution, all the rest do not. Bush clearly does not stand for the Constitution. </p>
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		<title>Update on Ohio&#8217;s Idiot Legislators &#8211; More on Why God Does Not Approve of Legislating Morality</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I talked before about how <a href="archives/2007/05/13/ohios-retarded-legislators-aka-you-cant-and-shouldnt-legislate-morality/">Ohio’s Retarded Legislators AKA You Can’t and Shouldn’t Legislate Morality</a>. Rather than stand up to the idiot bill, our Governor, can&#8217;t wait to get rid of him, <a href="http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070523/NEWS24/705230436">let the bill become law without signing it</a>.<br />
A quick recap, the so called &#8220;Christian&#8221; group, <a href="http://www.ccv.org/">Citizens for Community Values</a>, who act very anti-Christ like, managed to convince Ohio&#8217;s legislators to crack down on strip clubs, adult books stores and the like. They have apparently dropped the 6 foot limit in favor of spelled out sticker regulations on touching customers. While it was already more or less against the law to touch a customer, they could generally touch their shoulders or something for balance, the new law now makes even that a crime punishable by up to 30 days in jail and a $250 fine.<br />
Read my <a href="archives/2007/05/13/ohios-retarded-legislators-aka-you-cant-and-shouldnt-legislate-morality/">original post</a> for the majority of my <strong>in context </strong>Biblical based arguments against such laws. However, I feel I need to expand on a few further thoughts.<br />
We always hear to be more Christ like. What would Jesus do, and all those kind of things. Not once do we see Christ, His Apostles or Disciples working to make laws legislating morality. What did they do? They did signs, miracles and wonders, then they preached the good news. They didn&#8217;t concern themselves with the laws and forcing people to be like them, they simply set the example. We need to get back to doing things the way Christ would have us do them, which wasn&#8217;t by force. We never saw Him bind anyone and force them to live a &#8220;Godly&#8221; life. We didn&#8217;t see Him or His followers go to the government and ask them to legislate morality. (Yes, I know, the Bible doesn&#8217;t mention all the other planets, DNA or any number of other things that exist, but the Bible is a spiritual book dealing with spiritual issues, and legislating morality would fall under that rule, so if God wanted it done, He would have made sure it was mentioned by Paul or somebody in the New Testament.)<br />
Christ didn&#8217;t condom the prostitute but defended her, telling those without sin to cast the first stone. Yet the CCV feels they should be the ones casting stones, or at least having the law do it for them so they can pretend their hands are clean. A note to the CCV and others like them, God doesn&#8217;t care if you are the one who casts it, or ask somebody else to cast it for you, in God&#8217;s eye it is the same thing, and trying to legislate morality is casting stones.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 07:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brian A. Thomas</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind the fact that Ohio has one of, if not the worst economy in the US, our legislators have what they think are far more important things to worry about. Why help Ohio&#8217;s economic problems when there are strip clubs open to all hours of the night with strippers who can get close to the patrons. So it is that, thanks to the morons of Citizens for Community Values, a group out of Cincinnati who feel they are morally superior to God Himself (more on that in a bit), have pressured Ohio legislators to pass a bill that would do two main things. The first, is restrict the hours a strip club can be open, at least for the strip club portion of their business. Basically they can&#8217;t operate from midnight to 6 am. I think midnight is a tad early, if they made it 2 am, and this was the only provision of the bill, I wouldn&#8217;t raise much of a fuss. I would still wonder why the legislators are worried about such meaningless tripe when there are real issues facing Ohio, and I would still think the Citizens for Community Values are first class idiots who need to get off their high horse and realize they are not above God. Anyhow, the second part is the one that really got me going. The bill, if passed (it passed the Ohio Senate, and is being argued by the House) would require the strippers to stay 6 feet from the patrons, even after they put their clothes back on. Yes, that&#8217;s right, even after they put their clothes back on&#8230; and 6 feet. How unreasonable can you get? If it was perhaps 2 feet, and no restrictions after being clothed perhaps we could just say&#8230; well nothing positive, but 6 feet, even after she&#8217;s dressed is stupid to a level unheard of nearly anywhere.<br />
Let&#8217;s take a moment to consider why one can&#8217;t nor shouldn&#8217;t legislate morality, and I&#8217;ll use the Bible itself to demonstrate why (and I do believe they are all in context, so I am not just picking a verse to prove my point, but picking a verse, using it in its original context).<br />
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Let&#8217;s start near the beginning. Samuel is getting old, his sons are not being the fair judges that he was, and so the elders of the tribes come to Samuel and ask that he give them a King.</p>
<blockquote><p>And the Lord said to Samuel, &#8220;Heed the voice of the people in all that they say to you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt, even to this day&#8211;with which they have forsaken Me and served other gods&#8211;so they are doing to you also. Now therefore, heed their voice. However, you shall solemnly forewarn them, and show them the behavior of the king who will reign over them.&#8221;<br />
So Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who asked him for a king. And he said, &#8220;This will be the behavior of the king who will reign over you: He will take your sons and appoint them for his own chariots and to be his horsemen, and some will run before his chariots. He will appoint captains over his thousands and captains over his fifties, will set some to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and some to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. He will take your daughters to be perfumers, cooks, and bakers. And he will take the best of your fields, your vineyards, and your olive groves, and give them to his servants. He will take a tenth of your grain and your vintage, and give it to his officers and servants. And he will take your male servants, your female servants, your finest young men, and your donkeys, and put them to his work. He will take a tenth of your sheep. And you will be his servants. And you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you in that day.&#8221;<br />
Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, &#8220;No, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations, and that our king may judge us and go out before us and fight our battles.&#8221; &#8211; 1 Samuel 8:7-20</p></blockquote>
<p>So, let&#8217;s sum that up in the event you weren&#8217;t following. They wanted a King, God didn&#8217;t want them to be ruled over by anyone but Himself. He was in essence a libertarian&#8230; or course the Old Covenant Law was still in effect, son not really, but you get the idea. God didn&#8217;t intend for them to have a large government, and since everything is even better under the New Covenant, all the more so now. Even after the dire warning however, the people still demanded a King and so God allowed them to get a King. However, it bares repeating, even under the Old Covenant, <em>God didn&#8217;t want people ruled by a government</em>, and now with us under the New Covenant built on better things, which retains all the promises of the Old Covenant. So we can see from this that government is against the will of God, and utilizing in a way that the Citizens for Community Values are using it is very far against the will of God. The bad thing is, they are undoubtedly doing it in His name.<br />
It is people like the Citizens for Community Values and ugly hate groups such as the Westboro Baptist Church, the KKK and other so called &#8220;Christian&#8221; organizations that don&#8217;t act remotely Christ like, that make Christians appear as bad, intolerant people. It turns people off Christianity so that they can never come to know the love of Christ, or the way that Christ would actually have His people treat others. If I were God, I would say the Westboro people, the KKK and their ilk would be sent to Hell, regardless of them having accepted Christ since there is no excuse for their kind of behavior. Note I wouldn&#8217;t send the people of Citizens for Community Values there, but I would be sure they understood they defied me and went completely against my will, and tried to say they were morally higher then myself&#8230; but that is me. God is infinitely more compassionate than me, and since the only real requirement to eternal life with God is to have accepted Christ (as the Son of God and as Savior), they may squeak in, but they won&#8217;t get much reward and will be living in the Heavenly equivalent of a shanty town.<br />
Romans 8:1 tells us that &#8220;There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death..&#8221; Now, I am sure those groups would point out that this is talking about those who are in Christ, meaning those who have accepted Him, and while that is true enough, we also know the Golden Rule, expressed best (at least within the Bible) I think in Luke 6:31 &#8220;And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise.&#8221; Anyhow, there being no condemnation isn&#8217;t the only point here. It is also a bit about what Jesus referred to when He said He came to fulfill the law not destroy it. He was not talking about the old Levitical Laws, but to fulfill the law that a Christ would come, that He would give the Spirit of Life and all that.<br />
We are now under a new, better Covenant. The Levitical laws are nothing more than a footnote of our history, and more an example of what Christ brought us out of. We are freed of such old laws. The only real law now is to love one another. If we were to obey all the Levitical laws, I would guess we would all be bound for Hell or death. Unless your steak is well done, you are going to Hell under the Levitical law, wearing clothes with more than one type of fabric is against Levitical Law, any sea creatures that do not have both fins and scales (i.e. anything but fish, such as oyster, lobster, and shrimp, etc.) are an abomination, pork of course would be out, we would have to cast off from society any couple who has sex with a woman during her period, divorced and widowed women would not be allowed to remarry, heck you couldn&#8217;t go near anyone who had a defect even eczema (I guess I am unapproachable), it is against the Levitical Law to not only get a tattoo but to cut your hair or shave. You can&#8217;t pick and choose if you say one law applies, they all apply.<br />
Does this mean that God doesn&#8217;t still view homosexuality or sexual immorality as a sin? No, He may, as the New Testament is repeat with warnings to avoid sexual immorality as well (though no real specific mention of homosexuality). However, it is all moot since sin means essentially nothing. <em>God doesn&#8217;t care more than one iota about sin under the New Covenant</em>. This doesn&#8217;t mean we have free reign to sin, and we should still seek God (not man, or somebody representing God, but God directly ourselves) for forgiveness of sins. However, <em>God&#8217;s only concern is acceptance of Christ</em>. The thief on the cross didn&#8217;t ask Christ to forgive him, he just recognized who Christ was, and Jesus said that the thief would be with Him in Heaven. We have been beat over the head for so long with the sin message we lost track of the real message of Christ and that is a pure love message. He didn&#8217;t berate people about their sins, as a matter of fact He often defended the sinners and often ate with them and showed them nothing but love. The only time we really see Him doing anything to any sinners was with the money changers in the temple, and that is more a topic to be saved about the dangers of the Federal Reserve than here. It has been said, &#8220;Love the sinner, hate the sin.&#8221; I don&#8217;t think that is the way Christ would look at it at all. He would simply say, &#8220;Love the sinner.&#8221; The Holy Spirit will take care of the sin issue in that person&#8217;s life when the time comes for them to deal with it. Let God be God, and let Him be the judge. Jesus said in Mathew 7:1-2 &#8220;Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.&#8221; He goes on from there talking about wanting to remove the spec from your brothers eye when you have a plank in yours, notice how He upped the size from the spec to a plank. Heck, I have a problem with any praise and worship song or hymn that says I am a sinner, since I am not in God&#8217;s eyes, and never have been&#8230; again that is another huge topic on its own so I won&#8217;t go into here, but just know that if you are in Christ, and you have no unrepentant sin in your life at the moment (all sins prior to accepting Christ are gone already, so any earned since then are the ones I speak of here) then so far as God is concerned, and remember He knows everything that ever has or ever will happen, you have never sinned. So to confess you are a sinner is going against what God has said, and say He is a lier&#8230; anyhow again that is another topic all together. (Note, that just because you are forgiven, doesn&#8217;t mean the plank is out of your eye.) The main point here is that <em>sin in of itself does nothing to keep a person out of Heaven</em>. The only ones that sin matters to really is us, and our sin consciousness, which we need to get away from if we are to be free.<br />
Okay, so far we have seen that God doesn&#8217;t want us ruled by a government and that sin is a fairly moot issue so far as God is concerned. Yet we have people still trying to legislate morality, something God Himself wouldn&#8217;t approve of. The final evidence that we can&#8217;t and shouldn&#8217;t legislate morality, from a Christian perspective is simply that God gave us a free will for a reason. With no Levitical/Mosaic Law over us, we are even more free under the New Covenant. If God doesn&#8217;t force His will on us, then what gives us the moral superiority over Him to force what we think is His will on others? This is exactly what Citizens for Community Values and all others who want to legislate morality are saying, that they are morally superior to God and that they have to force what they see as the will of God is on everyone. Note I point out what they see or perceive as the will of God is. Does He want a person to go to a strip club at 2 am and be inches from the stripper? Probably not, but His will is that the person chooses of their own free will not to go. His will is not to force people to serve Him, but to choose to serve Him out of love. His will is to let other people have their free will to do as they wish.<br />
While God wants everyone to have the free will to do what they want, this doesn&#8217;t mean that we should get rid of all laws. Some laws need to stay around such as laws against murder, rape, robbery and other crimes against other people. However, victim-less crimes, be it drug use, going to a strip club or anything else like that really need to go away.<br />
We are called to be in the world and not of it. To use the government to force it to legislate morality is being of the world.<br />
As Christians we need to accept people, not accept the sin perhaps, but ignore it for the most part and let God work on them when He feels the time is right. We need to love and accept people for who and what they are and not pass judgment. By doing these things we can reach the world, and they will listen and not scoff. Above all, Love. I&#8217;ll leave you with a few closing quotes from the Bible on loving one another.<br />
&#8220;But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfection.&#8221; &#8212; Colossians 3:14<br />
&#8220;And above all things have fervent love for one another, for  “love will cover a multitude of sins.” &#8220;&#8211; 1 Peter 4:8<br />
&#8220;Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all sins.&#8221; &#8212; Proverbs 10:12<br />
&#8220;There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.&#8221; &#8212; 1 John 4:18</p>
<p>Edit: The law passed with some refinements. See U<a href="/archives/2007/07/24/update-on-ohios-idiot-legislators-more-on-why-god-does-not-approve-of-legislating-morality/">pdate on Ohio’s Idiot Legislators &#8211; More on Why God Does Not Approve of Legislating Morality</a>.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One has to wonder what the developer or publisher was thinking, but the new Left Behind: Eternal Forces computer game install spyware on your computer&#8230; a very anti-Christ like move&#8230; as the game watches everything you do in the game and reports it back to the ad-server, including information about you and where you live, along with where you go in the game, how much time you play it, what ads you watch and more (<a href="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060623-7122.html" title="Ars technica - Religious video game leaves spyware behind">story</a>).<br />
Whatever you do, don&#8217;t buy this game. Write a nice letter to the publisher and tell them how disapointed you are that they would take such un-Christian actions such as spying on their buyers. Let them know that you will tell all your friends to avoid the game because of their spying actions.</p>
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		<title>Freaken Chill Dudes &#8211; It is Just a Cartoon</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More people continue to die because of some political cartoons about Islam and Mohammad. They are protesting, killing people, getting killed, and now are targeting the USA since we are &#8220;the leader of Europe and the leading infidel in the world.&#8221; I am not sure when we became the leader of Europe, but hey, what can we expect a 40-year old framer in Afghanistan to know&#8230;<br />
When &#8220;The Last Temptation of Christ&#8221; came out, there were some Christians who protested, but you didn&#8217;t see them killing people over it. Catholics protested <a title="Amazon.com - Dogma (Special Edition) - DVD" href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=briaathomcom-20%26link_code=xm2%26camp=2025%26creative=165953%26path=http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%253fASIN=B000053VAF%2526tag=briaathomcom-20%2526lcode=xm2%2526cID=2025%2526ccmID=165953%2526location=/o/ASIN/B000053VAF%25253FSubscriptionId=1QS8P1XD9NBRR9C0JXR2">Dogma</a>, and nobody was killing people over it. In the case of Dogma, there was little reason to protest, while it wasn&#8217;t Biblically correct, it probably had a more pro-faith message then most any Hollywood movie of its time. Last Temptation of Christ was blasphemous from the start, with Jesus not knowing who He was. The thing is, the movie wouldn&#8217;t have had as big a draw as it had was it not for the protests, I didn&#8217;t make it even half way into the movie before I gave up on it for being so boring, and I can do lots of slow movies if they are good. The protests made the movie more notable then it ever would have been. Same thing is happening here. With all the deaths and threats, more newspapers published the cartoon in defiance and a show of freedom of speech. Had there not been such massive protests and killings, nobody would have known about the cartoons outside the Muslim world. It is like the whole <a title="Amazon.com - The Satanic Verses : A Novel (Bestselling Backlist)" href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=briaathomcom-20%26link_code=xm2%26camp=2025%26creative=165953%26path=http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%253fASIN=0312270828%2526tag=briaathomcom-20%2526lcode=xm2%2526cID=2025%2526ccmID=165953%2526location=/o/ASIN/0312270828%25253FSubscriptionId=1QS8P1XD9NBRR9C0JXR2">The Satanic Verses</a> all over again. I tried reading the book, <em>only due to the controversy</em>, but the poetic form of the book made it too hard to get into.<br />
The really bad thing here is that the cartoons were pointing out the type of militant Muslims that are doing the protests, or perhaps more properly, leading the protests and drawing unwitting people with them. Islam is a religion in bad need of a better image, and these protests and killings don&#8217;t help matters. Outside of attacks in England by the IRA (to be more technical, the <a title="Wikipedia.org - Real Irish Republican Army" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Irish_Republican_Army">Real IRA</a>, the <a title="Wikipedia.org - Provisional Irish Republican Army" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army">Provisional IRA</a>, the <a title="Wikipedia.org - Continuity Irish Republican Army" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_Irish_Republican_Army">Continuity IRA</a>, and the <a title="Wikipedia.org - Official Irish Republican Army" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_IRA">Official IRA</a>, all being the modern versions of the IRA that split off in 1922 and existed to 1969), I think you would be hard pressed to think of any attacks against Western targets that were not Muslim related. Even the Oklahoma City bombings had <a title="Amazon.com - Book - The Third Terrorist : The Middle East Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing" href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=briaathomcom-20%26link_code=xm2%26camp=2025%26creative=165953%26path=http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%253fASIN=0785261036%2526tag=briaathomcom-20%2526lcode=xm2%2526cID=2025%2526ccmID=165953%2526location=/o/ASIN/0785261036%25253FSubscriptionId=1QS8P1XD9NBRR9C0JXR2">The Third Terrorist</a>, which to be fair, is more a link to Saddam and the Republican Guard then Islam, though I hear new evidence shows Nickles may have received bomb making expertise from Ramazi Yousef (the Al-Qaeda mastermind of the first World Trade Center attack) while Nickles was in the Philippians several times during the early 90&#8242;s (an expensive trip to make without your Philippian bride).<br />
While lots of Muslim leaders are calling for the protests to end, it does little to distract from the fact that so many people are dying for a cartoon. What the world sees when these people act like this is the proof, as wrong as it may be, that this is just the way Muslims are. While most Muslims may be peace loving, protests like these doesn&#8217;t disspell much of the terrorist type image that the world has. They need to chill, to show that Islam is the peaceful religion they say it is, and not the religion of fanatics who enjoy flying a plane into a skyscraper and killing 3500 people, or attempting to drive a truck into Jordan with weapons to kill hundreds of thousands of people (odd how that story didn&#8217;t make it out in America, despite it happened during the Presidential election, and they were Al-Qaeda operatives trained in Iraq by one of Saddam&#8217;s right hand men). The Muslims I know are generally peace loving people, and I know most Muslims are. It is the vocal violent minority that is giving Islam it&#8217;s image problem.</p>
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